How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

CONCLUSION:

I am like a fish out of water,

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Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

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There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

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Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

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Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

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ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

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Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

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Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

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— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

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I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

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Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

What is the gayest experience you have seen in prison?

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

How do I become a Buddhist, and can someone explain Buddhism to me?

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

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For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

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ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

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We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

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Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

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यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

Sain (a barber)

Kabir (a weaver)

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

then who is there to know what happens without?

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

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Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

Now here in this verse

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

NOW…

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

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